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that with technology you can get more out of the old fields, but this is brand new stuff. >> well, what we are doing is the wise seismics that we have been doing -- >> what? >> wise athemmic seismic, and we have done it on the shelf, and we have joined with apache on some of the fields and you look for the big discoveries under salt. you think about this, if you want to hide a big oil under it is under salt. >> how deep? >> 15,000 to 20,000 are the primary targets. >> when you talk about, you are not a huge oil company, but this is the kind of thing that i would expect a huge oil company to do, and if we have things like happened with nick moran where, or davie jones to hit some dry holes how could you be put in a damaging position by this kind of thing? >> well, the wells that we are drill i drilling are $30 million or $40 million, and we have 30%, and the one exxon is $30 million and done the first two, and the risk/reward is high and the reason they are there and while they are good sizes for us, 30 to 50 million barrel opportunities that is not going to move the needle for exxon or apache. >> we
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